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		<title>By: Marketing Web</title>
		<link>http://www.iantruscott.me/wordpress-barely-a-cms/comment-page-1#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Marketing Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late to this conversation but thought i&#039;d add my opinion!

My non academic, simple definition of a CMS is pretty simple - it&#039;s a system designed for managing content in a simple manner by the end user, without having to delve into code. 

Wordpress fits that definition perfectly.  Was it originally designed as this - no. Has it grown and adapted to suit user requirements - absolutely.  Not everyone uses Wordpress as a blog, it can be many things. You can build a whole site based on pages, and in fact that&#039;s what all the templates over at www.studiopress.com are based on, and they definitely take Wordpress in some interesting directions. 

Wordpress can manage text pages, manage images via gallaries etc, include other media/forms of content such as video etc. Content can be stored within the system and then put together and published as required. This can be done without coding if required.

So, in my very humble opinion, is it a CMS - definitely - it can be used effectively to publish and manage content and has features built in for this purpose. Is it the most advanced tool for this task - absolutely not. But do many small businesses who only have small amounts of content to manage in simple ways need something more advanced?  I would suggest in a lot of cases they don&#039;t.

Thanks for the article, it was a great read.
Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late to this conversation but thought i&#8217;d add my opinion!</p>
<p>My non academic, simple definition of a CMS is pretty simple &#8211; it&#8217;s a system designed for managing content in a simple manner by the end user, without having to delve into code. </p>
<p>Wordpress fits that definition perfectly.  Was it originally designed as this &#8211; no. Has it grown and adapted to suit user requirements &#8211; absolutely.  Not everyone uses WordPress as a blog, it can be many things. You can build a whole site based on pages, and in fact that&#8217;s what all the templates over at <a href="http://www.studiopress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.studiopress.com</a> are based on, and they definitely take WordPress in some interesting directions. </p>
<p>Wordpress can manage text pages, manage images via gallaries etc, include other media/forms of content such as video etc. Content can be stored within the system and then put together and published as required. This can be done without coding if required.</p>
<p>So, in my very humble opinion, is it a CMS &#8211; definitely &#8211; it can be used effectively to publish and manage content and has features built in for this purpose. Is it the most advanced tool for this task &#8211; absolutely not. But do many small businesses who only have small amounts of content to manage in simple ways need something more advanced?  I would suggest in a lot of cases they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Thanks for the article, it was a great read.<br />
Matt</p>
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		<title>By: WordPress Is Or Is Not A CMS - WordPress Tavern Forum</title>
		<link>http://www.iantruscott.me/wordpress-barely-a-cms/comment-page-1#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>WordPress Is Or Is Not A CMS - WordPress Tavern Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 05:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lit up when he mentioned custom post types and such which is all on the way with WordPress 3.0.  http://www.persuasivecontent.com/wordpress-barely-a-cms  However, I think Matt sums it all up best regarding WordPress with his comment:  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lit up when he mentioned custom post types and such which is all on the way with WordPress 3.0.  <a href="http://www.persuasivecontent.com/wordpress-barely-a-cms" rel="nofollow">http://www.persuasivecontent.com/wordpress-barely-a-cms</a>  However, I think Matt sums it all up best regarding WordPress with his comment:  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 04:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me it&#039;s simple:

WordPress is a CMS
WordPress is NOT an enterprise level CMS

I would use WordPress to run one of my personal sites.
I would not use it to run the websites at work (I lead a government web team).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me it&#8217;s simple:</p>
<p>WordPress is a CMS<br />
WordPress is NOT an enterprise level CMS</p>
<p>I would use WordPress to run one of my personal sites.<br />
I would not use it to run the websites at work (I lead a government web team).</p>
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		<title>By: James Hoskins</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hoskins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article Ian, with plenty of interesting analogies.

The car analogy does remind somewhat of what Clarkson was writing about a while back with regards to the Nano which was basically that it exposed the real cost of making a car. If I remember rightly, he was emphasising how all of the layers of associated (but in many respects largely unecessary development and management activities) pushed the manufacturing costs up dramatically for aspects of a vehicle that were as good as, if not better, than far more expensive alternatives.

I find it interesting that quite a number of long standing practitioners who have been exposed to many types of CMS across many different implementation scenarios support the idea that Wordpress is very much a CMS. This is probably because they have witnessed first hand the importance of user adoption but also just how many features of upper tier systems never actually get used, are over-complicated or are largely superfluous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Ian, with plenty of interesting analogies.</p>
<p>The car analogy does remind somewhat of what Clarkson was writing about a while back with regards to the Nano which was basically that it exposed the real cost of making a car. If I remember rightly, he was emphasising how all of the layers of associated (but in many respects largely unecessary development and management activities) pushed the manufacturing costs up dramatically for aspects of a vehicle that were as good as, if not better, than far more expensive alternatives.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that quite a number of long standing practitioners who have been exposed to many types of CMS across many different implementation scenarios support the idea that WordPress is very much a CMS. This is probably because they have witnessed first hand the importance of user adoption but also just how many features of upper tier systems never actually get used, are over-complicated or are largely superfluous.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not at all Irina - I wasn&#039;t equalling stunning design to a CMS/WCM definition - like I said I just thought it was interesting that Jon contributed that link to the discussion.

What I do think - the point I was trying to make in the rest of that paragraph - is that a CMS, besides the academic definition discussion, needs to meet some business need. In the case of WCM specifically - that is probably to deliver the requirements of marketing - a compelling, engaging website.

Of course, I presume that the requirements for these designs were not just about &#039;stunning&#039; but also about functionality, both for the visitor and how the business user can maintain the site - otherwise they would have been static hand crafted in HTML or Flash. These sites look like they are probably driven by small web teams, meeting their requirements, similar to the point about Janus using Wordpress.

Thanks for stopping by Irina, really appreciate your comment.

Cheers!

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all Irina &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t equalling stunning design to a CMS/WCM definition &#8211; like I said I just thought it was interesting that Jon contributed that link to the discussion.</p>
<p>What I do think &#8211; the point I was trying to make in the rest of that paragraph &#8211; is that a CMS, besides the academic definition discussion, needs to meet some business need. In the case of WCM specifically &#8211; that is probably to deliver the requirements of marketing &#8211; a compelling, engaging website.</p>
<p>Of course, I presume that the requirements for these designs were not just about &#8216;stunning&#8217; but also about functionality, both for the visitor and how the business user can maintain the site &#8211; otherwise they would have been static hand crafted in HTML or Flash. These sites look like they are probably driven by small web teams, meeting their requirements, similar to the point about Janus using WordPress.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by Irina, really appreciate your comment.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Irina Guseva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irina Guseva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 05:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think it was interesting that, as a CMS technology geek Jon Marks pitched in with this stunning set of well designed WP websites.&quot; -- Ian, I&#039;d think you know better than equal &quot;stunning&quot; designs as part of the CMS/WCM definition. Seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it was interesting that, as a CMS technology geek Jon Marks pitched in with this stunning set of well designed WP websites.&#8221; &#8212; Ian, I&#8217;d think you know better than equal &#8220;stunning&#8221; designs as part of the CMS/WCM definition. Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments guys.

I think I am with Matt and Tony - the conversation sometimes wanders too far into academic discussions around terminology and away from requirements.

Some folks really do have very simple WCM (or CMS) requirements and my post was really about what we the &#039;tradition&#039; or &#039;mainstream&#039; CMS folks can learn from WP.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jboye.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Janus Boye&lt;/a&gt; has for example proudly tweeted that his organisations website is driven by Wordpress. Now Janus is not some innocent Mom and Pop store confused by our industry - the question probably should be - what turns a blog into a corporate website? Yep, requirements... I guess if Janus wanted a Danish version of his site with parallel translation processes he&#039;d have chosen a different tool.

I think it was interesting that, as a CMS technology geek &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.twitter.com/mcboof&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jon Marks&lt;/a&gt; pitched in with &lt;a href=&quot;http://webdesignledger.com/inspiration/15-impressive-and-beautiful-uses-of-wordpress&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; stunning set of well designed WP websites. A reminder I guess that it&#039;s a compelling end product - the website - that drives most WCM implementations - the requirements of marketing.

Philippe there is a great conversation going on in the comments to your article, so I won&#039;t add here, but I think we need to be cautious about taking too rigid a view on this.

Chris - BTW your website/blog just gets more awesome every time I stop by. Anyway I only referred to Wikipedia as I liked the rest of the quote from Robert Rose&#039;s excellent post - but &quot;right tool for the job&quot; - absolutely.

Cheers,

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments guys.</p>
<p>I think I am with Matt and Tony &#8211; the conversation sometimes wanders too far into academic discussions around terminology and away from requirements.</p>
<p>Some folks really do have very simple WCM (or CMS) requirements and my post was really about what we the &#8216;tradition&#8217; or &#8216;mainstream&#8217; CMS folks can learn from WP.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jboye.com/" rel="nofollow">Janus Boye</a> has for example proudly tweeted that his organisations website is driven by WordPress. Now Janus is not some innocent Mom and Pop store confused by our industry &#8211; the question probably should be &#8211; what turns a blog into a corporate website? Yep, requirements&#8230; I guess if Janus wanted a Danish version of his site with parallel translation processes he&#8217;d have chosen a different tool.</p>
<p>I think it was interesting that, as a CMS technology geek <a href="http://www.twitter.com/mcboof" rel="nofollow">Jon Marks</a> pitched in with <a href="http://webdesignledger.com/inspiration/15-impressive-and-beautiful-uses-of-wordpress" rel="nofollow">this</a> stunning set of well designed WP websites. A reminder I guess that it&#8217;s a compelling end product &#8211; the website &#8211; that drives most WCM implementations &#8211; the requirements of marketing.</p>
<p>Philippe there is a great conversation going on in the comments to your article, so I won&#8217;t add here, but I think we need to be cautious about taking too rigid a view on this.</p>
<p>Chris &#8211; BTW your website/blog just gets more awesome every time I stop by. Anyway I only referred to Wikipedia as I liked the rest of the quote from Robert Rose&#8217;s excellent post &#8211; but &#8220;right tool for the job&#8221; &#8211; absolutely.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I see with Wikipedia&#039;s definition of a CMS is that it reflects (and exemplifies) on-going issues with CMSs in general: the fact that we--the developers and consumers/end-users--place too much emphasis on the software to handle nearly all aspects of content management.

It is &lt;em&gt;people&lt;/em&gt; that drive process, and the software we choose to use should not impede that process (whatever form it might take in your organization).

A CMS--any CMS, and that includes WordPress--should be considered the end-point in a delivery strategy with the website being the result, e.g. a delivery mechanism vs. the entire process of...

Let&#039;s not forget the value of Information Governance while we&#039;re at it.

To be clear, I love WordPress--it&#039;s a great example of a system that retained a clear focus as to who its market is, and more importantly, the task for which it was built in the first place. The fact that the community saw greater potential in the system and explored the possibilities of applying it elsewhere is a testament to its potential as a ubiquitous tool.

But it is just that: &lt;strong&gt;a tool&lt;/strong&gt;. To glorify it as anything more than &lt;em&gt;one&lt;/em&gt; possible means to an end is just asking for trouble; after all, isn&#039;t it about the &lt;em&gt;right tool for the job&lt;/em&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I see with Wikipedia&#8217;s definition of a CMS is that it reflects (and exemplifies) on-going issues with CMSs in general: the fact that we&#8211;the developers and consumers/end-users&#8211;place too much emphasis on the software to handle nearly all aspects of content management.</p>
<p>It is <em>people</em> that drive process, and the software we choose to use should not impede that process (whatever form it might take in your organization).</p>
<p>A CMS&#8211;any CMS, and that includes WordPress&#8211;should be considered the end-point in a delivery strategy with the website being the result, e.g. a delivery mechanism vs. the entire process of&#8230;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget the value of Information Governance while we&#8217;re at it.</p>
<p>To be clear, I love WordPress&#8211;it&#8217;s a great example of a system that retained a clear focus as to who its market is, and more importantly, the task for which it was built in the first place. The fact that the community saw greater potential in the system and explored the possibilities of applying it elsewhere is a testament to its potential as a ubiquitous tool.</p>
<p>But it is just that: <strong>a tool</strong>. To glorify it as anything more than <em>one</em> possible means to an end is just asking for trouble; after all, isn&#8217;t it about the <em>right tool for the job</em>?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for chiming in support of WP, even if you think we&#039;re a Tata Nano. :)

I think WordPress is being adopted as a content management system over many capital-letter CMSes because it focuses on an author first, and has the most robust third-party theme and plugin community. Every WordPress user is three steps (click add plugin, search, click install) from a solution to every shortcoming you describe.

Whether people decide to call us a CMS or not really doesn&#039;t concern me, it&#039;s a lot more interesting to work on new features and functionality our users are asking for. In the day since you posted this WP was downloaded over 60,000 times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for chiming in support of WP, even if you think we&#8217;re a Tata Nano. <img src='http://www.iantruscott.me/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think WordPress is being adopted as a content management system over many capital-letter CMSes because it focuses on an author first, and has the most robust third-party theme and plugin community. Every WordPress user is three steps (click add plugin, search, click install) from a solution to every shortcoming you describe.</p>
<p>Whether people decide to call us a CMS or not really doesn&#8217;t concern me, it&#8217;s a lot more interesting to work on new features and functionality our users are asking for. In the day since you posted this WP was downloaded over 60,000 times.</p>
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		<title>By: Philippe Parker (@proops)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philippe Parker (@proops)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve pitched in with a post too: http://contentedmanagement.net/blog/what-makes-different-wcm-different/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve pitched in with a post too: <a href="http://contentedmanagement.net/blog/what-makes-different-wcm-different/" rel="nofollow">http://contentedmanagement.net/blog/what-makes-different-wcm-different/</a></p>
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